Properly Trinitarian

I once heard a pastor say that the key area to check when searching for a church to join was that church’s position on Jesus Christ. I think his reasoning was that consistently throughout history, but particularly in our age, if a church falters, it falters first over the person and work of Jesus Christ.

Point taken, but when I heard it, it struck me as a little wobbly. There are lots of churches which hold a perfectly acceptable understanding of Jesus Christ, but which I think are still a little less than they could be because of a weakly expressed understanding of the Father and the Holy Spirit.

It seems to me that the goal of a church should be what I would call “properly trinitarian.” That is, the life and teaching of the church should reflect the actual relationships within the Trinity. All three Persons of the Godhead are equal, and so they should get equal press from the pulpit and on our minds and lips. Nevertheless, there is a hierarchy of precedence within the trinity, and we ought to seek to reflect that precedence in the way we honor and submit to God.

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  • Tom

    Obscure for those outside the nerd world:

    1. Abstracted
    2. Binary
    3. Configured
    4. Delegated
    5. Encapsulated
    6. Functional
    7. Generalized
    8. Hexadecimal
    9. Inherited
    10. Just-In-Time
    11. Kerberos
    12. Lazy-loaded
    13. Multi-threaded
    14. Normalized
    15. Obfuscated
    16. Polymorphic
    17. Queued (pronounced with 3 syllables)
    18. Recursive
    19. Surrogate
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    24. eXtensible (hey, it works for XML)
    25. Yieldable
    26. Zero-to-many

  • Ces

    I say hyphenation is cheating :D

  • Rachel Long

    Kyle, this is incredible! I am blown away. Very profound and thought provoking. I wish you the best and I know you will serve our country well. God bless you and your family.

  • Marmee

    All I can say is what the Lord once said to me — I know that’s very subjective.

    But I once spent a great deal of time repenting of my feelings. I considered my feelings the TRUE expression of me. Once in the midst of such a repentence, The Lord broke in and said. That’s not who you are — it’s just how you feel

    Similiar thing happened when we first moved to Tulsa. I was simply contemplating my last few months working with children in Lawton; ruminating on the adage that you can’t fool a child. Thinking, yes, you can. I fooled them every week. I didn’t love them but they thought I did. Again, I was interrupted when the Lord said, that was love. Love isn’t a warm fuzzy feeling — it’s what you do and you LOVED those children for me.

    One of the most powerful teachings I have hung onto through the years came from a converted Jewish woman whose name I have forgotten. She was the speaker at a retreat I went to when we first moved to Lawton. The series of messages was Obedience: Squeals, Squawks and the deluxe combo. Squealing obedience was when what we’re given to do is exactly what we want to do and we squeal with joy. Squawking obedience is the opposite. And the dexlue combo are those situations that begin either squeaking or squawking and then the experiences reverses itself. The point she made over and over again was that if we obeyed regardless of our feelings [squawking] The Lord would write in His book _________obeyed me, one more time.

    I think feelings matter but I don’t find evidence God is judging us by them. He is moved by the feelings of our infirmities.

    Side bar — but we all have ways we used to “fix” ourselves when our feelings begin to overwhelm us – my pesonal favorite is worship. Which anyone can do driving down the road. Lenghty devotions are not the only solution. Kerry uses worship and also has a wonderful testimony of using just giving thanks.

  • Dave Willis

    How in the world are you having time to listen to so many messages and post reviews in the afternoon? Are you leading a double life? I am jealous, I never have that kind of time with my work…

  • Dave Willis

    I think the poem is spot-on, having lived on an anvil of late. Thanks for transcribing it! Hope I get a semi-noble part.

  • I don’t have time to read any more. But I have plenty of time to listen. In due deference though, I didn’t transcribe it. The lovely folks at Dave Harvey’s church sent me a copy when they wrote back to me.

    I did put in the proper line breaks, tho’. :)

  • Ces

    It seems there were only the two entrants. So who won? :D

  • Tom

    Hope everything’s ok. Our prayers are with you guys.

  • ces

    When is his appointment with a neuro?

  • Tom

    Dang! What would a person do with nearly 9 gallons of mince meat?!

    I do happen to like mince meat pie, though my tastes are probably off since I’m used to the store bought stuff. Still, 9 gallons…

  • ces

    Blegh. I remember what happened the last time mincemeat was consumed in our family.

  • Jonathan

    MMM, that does sound good. Next time you cook up a batch send me a couple of cans :P .